in terms of the technology, developing capabilities to send people beyond the earth orbit and into deep space on a fairly permanent basis and having rockets able to do that are the key to doing that and that is in the program. that is now being worked on. it's just perhaps faster with more money but it is still progressing. >> well, there are these ambitious goals that nasa has. talk about going to mars. having said that, at the same time, we were hearing today about this colorado-based company. they just said yesterday that they plan to send privately funded and built spacecraft to the moon by 2020. they say 15 to 20 nations are interested in those missions and it's much cheaper than nasa can do it for. >> as space technology advances, the things that we did five, 10, 20 years ago become cheaper. the technology is better, the energy, all of the construction designs are better so that you can do these things that once cost 26 billion and those kind of dollars from apollo, you can do it for less money now. but you keep the dollars going for new technologies, things that are harder to do,